[[关注]]数码相机黑屏问题[2005.10.9更新][柯美/佳能/尼康/富士/索尼][部分原创]]

百里行空 · 发表于 2005-9-27 16:56:42

很长时间没关注dc了，也好久没来了，链接地址经常换，找到这里要费些功夫

最近浏览网页时，发现了一个要命的问题：

黑屏！！！

pchome上，近2个月比较集中的黑屏问题是柯美的d7系列上

表现为，相机无法拍照（照出来的是全黑的），其他功能使用正常，

http://dcclub.pchome.net/topic.php?topic=3&bbsid=156027

不完全统计

柯美的机器出现黑屏或疑似黑屏的有：d7i， d7ih，A1，xi，z5

Z5：http://digi.pchome.net/2005/9/3/ ... 5.php&nowpage=1

D7i：http://digi.pchome.net/2005/7/31/3_155250.php?rpcount=15

A1：http://digi.pchome.net/2005/8/29/3_155914.php?rpcount=24

此类问题数量似乎很多

除了柯美，其他厂商也存在问题：

------------------------佳能：--------------------

a70/75/95，出现黑屏或者不正常拍摄效果，如：

http://forum.xitek.com/showthread.php?threadid=314114

http://dcclub.pchome.net/topic.php?topic=3&bbsid=154653

此类问题数量似乎很多

----------------------------sony：------------------

F717，

http://dcclub.pchome.net/topic.php?topic=3&bbsid=155391

此类问题数量似乎有一些

------------------------富士：--------------------

s2pro

http://www.cameraunion.net/forum ... 63&pagenumber=1

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网页上统计大概就这些，大家可以自己搜索，比如到了pchome那个论坛上搜索黑屏主题，大概十余个相关主题，里面还含有相关问题其他网站的连接，

根据上述结果，涉及黑屏问题的厂商

柯美，佳能，sony，富士，

别高兴太早，尼康的相机虽然没看到过有人反映，但我目睹过黑屏的尼康

型号是5700，时间是去年十月一长假期间，去太行山旅行时，红绿灯朋友的5700就黑了，当时因为从未听说过此类问题，还不知道就是一年之后令人谈及色变的黑屏事件，如需核实，大家可以去17883（驴友的论坛，一起爬爬山）的论坛上去找找问问

也就是说，包括老牌相机厂商尼康、佳能、美能达，包括电子产品（如，ccd）比较牛x的sony，

都被黑了一下。

另外请注意，黑掉的不仅仅是民用相机，也就是说，不能用低端产品质量不好保证作为理由搪塞这个事实，

两年、三年前，美能达没有单反dc，d7系列是当时所谓的旗舰级，定义为高端玩家或者半专业应用，m家的a1也能算消费级，不是普通家用随便照个到此一游就算了的，sony的f717也是拼杀了多年的经典，nikon的5700，老玩家都知道她在当时是多么经典多么有品位，富士的s2可是单反啊！

难道所谓高端的dc，就只有这种质量？

还有一点要注意的是，如果说，d7系列折腾了两三年了，黑屏了是我们上了小鬼子的当了（因为产品设计时有个自动报废时间），那么，a1是哪年的，年代不如d7久远吧，那些时尚机就更年轻了，a70/75都是d7系列寿终正寝之后才出世的，a95现在还在闹腾得欢呢，常被大家说为值得

的机型；而有些z5的玩家可能连d7、5700都没听说过吧，

难道一个dc，就用了这么几天，就不能用了？

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下面的问题就请大家关注和讨论了

------------机器的黑屏到底什么原因？有些人说，是潮了，连接线松了，如果真是这样的话，我们，作为消费者，如何避免？我们能采取什么措施？

-------------希望大家继续关注黑屏事件，毕竟对大多数人买dc是不小的消费，希望能全面统计一下，统计结果是不是可以作为衡量厂家质量的标准？

--------------前些年一直有人讨论dc寿命尤其是ccd寿命问题，得到的答案是一直是，一般不会坏；

黑屏的出现时间（如果必然出现的话）是否就应定义为相机的寿命，因为：、

1，修一个黑屏的机器可能要2千块（如m家的d7，见链接），这个价钱可以买同样的二手机。所以，出现黑屏，这个相机已经不能理直气壮地向我们索要高昂的修理费了

2，如果没有黑屏，那一般家庭买到相机后，可以用5年甚至更长，这个是否正确可以看看大家手里原来的傻瓜相机，相信大部分家庭都有，大部分人用不到很多所谓新功能，用不到越来越大的象素（我的400万像素的相机已经让我的120g硬盘感到吃力了）。所以，一部没黑屏的相机可以陪伴我们时间很长。但如果有黑屏，那就，，，

--------------dc的质量是不是越来越差了？现阶段，好多dc从上市到出黑屏的时间越来越短了，d7是两三年，z5可就一两年了。是由于数码相机用户越来越多从而发现了越来越多的问题，还是数码相机越出越多越卖越便宜导致质量大幅度下滑？

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数码行货专家 · 发表于 2005-9-27 19:08:02

顶/

雨淡黄昏 · 发表于 2005-9-27 19:35:34

是吗？

百里星空啊，数码论坛的老人了吧。

俺的A70没有问题

百里行空 · 发表于 2005-9-27 20:46:00

出问题的虽然是个案，但不能不引起我们注意啊，最起码应该注意保养、防潮吧，使用时要防震，
如果路途比较颠簸，应该买个小摄影包，
只靠相机那种薄薄的皮套防震效果是不够的，
去年驴行的时候，坏掉的5700，我们大家基本猜测是放在单层的包里受震或受潮，

但目前没有似乎非常确切的说法，一切原因只能猜测，

祈祷我们所有人的dc万岁万岁万万岁（注：万岁指万年，不是一万张）

百里行空 · 发表于 2005-9-29 20:14:42

受关注程度明显不如广告
自己顶

百里行空 · 发表于 2005-10-3 20:18:40

继续顶

255660u · 发表于 2005-10-4 16:36:00

应该顶的，看帖子就对楼主好印象。em02

百里行空 · 发表于 2005-10-4 22:49:50

新消息：sony承认某段时期生产的ccd品质有问题

http://www.dslr.com.cn/trends/calling/200510/4057.html

百里行空 · 发表于 2005-10-9 13:19:40

在dpreview看到的最新消息；

佳能发布通告：

Canon has announced a problem with some of the CCDs used in its digital cameras and camcorders which causes images not to appear or appear distorted. This is due to a malfunction that means the wiring in the CCDs may come undone if exposed to high temperature or high humidity. The affected cameras are the PowerShot A60, PowerShot A70, PowerShot A75, PowerShot A300, PowerShot A310, Digital IXUS V3, Digital IXUS II, Digital IXUS IIs. Canon advises anyone experiencing these problems to contact them to arrange free repairs.

Click here to find out how to contact Canon

Notice:

Image Phenomena Due to CCD Malfunction

A problem has been discovered in some of the CCDs used in Canon digital camera and digital video camera products that causes images to appear distorted or not to appear at all. We apologize for the considerable inconvenience this represents for our customers. Along with our respectful apology, we would like to advise our customers of the details of this issue and our policy for handling it, which are as follows.

[大意为：佳能的部分数码相机及摄像机会出现没有图像（就是黑屏啦）和图像显示不正常（一般为断裂，失真，抽线等等，反正就是不正常），]

Affected Models

The CCDs in question are used in the following models.
[这个问题涉及到下面这些]
[Digital Cameras

PowerShot A60, PowerShot A70, PowerShot A75, PowerShot A300, PowerShot A310, Digital IXUS V3, Digital IXUS II, Digital IXUS IIs

Digital Video Cameras

MV600i, MV630i, MV650i, MV700i, MV730i, MV750i, MV5i, MV5i MC, MV6i MC
ZR60, ZR65 MC, ZR70 MC, ZR80, ZR85, ZR90, Elura 40 MC, Elura 50
The Malfunction

Among the CCDs used in the affected products listed above, it has been confirmed that, especially under high-temperature/high-humidity environments, the internal wiring may come undone in some places.

[鬼子赖是高温或高湿度造成的，天知道]

If this defect occurs, the signal is not output from the CCD correctly when in shooting mode, which results in symptoms like the following in captured images. These symptoms can be confirmed on the LCD monitor. The same symptoms may also occur in recorded images.

Images do not appear [黑屏，吼吼]
Images appear distorted [图像不正常，这也同样是很大的毛病！]
Canon’s Response

With apologies for the inconvenience involved, we ask that users who have confirmed these symptoms contact the nearest Canon Service Center. Free repairs will be made for affected products in cases where it has been confirmed that the internal CCD wiring has come undone in some places.

[佳能号称要免费修]

We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience caused by this issue. We strive to make even greater efforts in our quality control to provide products that our customers can use with confidence. We hope that these efforts will earn your continued patronage.
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原文地址

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0510/05100602canon_ccdproblem.asp

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百里行空 · 发表于 2005-10-9 13:35:31

万恶的sony也招了

Sony UK has finally issued an advisory notice about a problem with the CCDs used in its digital cameras, camcorders and PDA Clies[看了吧，相机，摄相机，pda，只要用ccd的，就problem]. Sony supplies CCDs for many other major manufacturers [看这句，sony祸害了许多其他厂家]who have already issued announcements about their cameras, but despite the date on this notice, it has only come to light today. The affected Sony cameras were manufactured between October 2002 and March 2004 [nnd,这么久的时间，从2002年10月就危害社会了，直到2004年3月，（原文没写，个人认为恐怕是东窗事发后的时间），]and will experience problems displaying the image, where it may appear distorted or not at all[毛病就是黑屏和图像不正常，和佳能说的一样，佳能有些就用sony的ccd]. Digital cameras affected include the F717, 11 P-series cameras, the U10, U20, U30 and waterproof U60, as well as the five megapixel DSC-V1. [翻译这句话：受这个（白痴毛病）影响的相机包括f717,11款屁系列的相机，u10,u20,u30,防水的u60,以及500万像素的v1]Sony will, of course, repair all cameras experiencing this problem free of charge.

[sony要免费修]

Press Release:

Notice to Owners of Sony Digital Still Camera, Camcorder, PDA CLIÉ and Professional Camcorders & Cameras
Notice to Owners of Sony Digital Still Camera
October 3, 2005 - It has recently come to our attention that a limited number of Sony Digital Still Cameras that incorporate an image sensor device, CCD Chip, manufactured from October 2002 through March 2004 may exhibit the following condition:

When the Digital Still Camera is used in camera mode, the LCD panel and/or electronic viewfinder will show either a distorted image or no image.

We have determined that this condition only occurs to a limited number of units.

In its effort to ensure customer satisfaction, Sony has elected to offer a free repair to the owners of applicable Digital Still Cameras if the image sensor device, CCD chip, causes one of the above-mentioned conditions. Accordingly, customers who have a Sony Digital Still Camera as outlined below and if said Sony Digital Still Camera exhibits the above-mentioned condition caused by the image sensor device, CCD chip, may contact the special call center set forth below for free repair:

DSC-F717
DSC-P10
DSC-P12
DP51
DSC-P52
DSC-P7
DSC-P71
DSC-P72
DSC-P8
DSC-P92
DSC-U10
DSC-U20
DSC-U30
DSC-U60
DSC-V1
MVC-CD400
MVC-CD500
MVC-FD200SC-P2
DSC-P31
DSC-P32
DSC-

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Eire - 01 4131730

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